Reality, Remixed: Google’s New Pixel Phones and the AI Revolution in Photography

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Images May Not Be What They Seem

During an extravagant press conference held this week at its Mountain View, California base, Google revealed its lineup of four new Pixel smartphones. However, the highlight of the Made By Google event wasn't the devices themselves, but the array of generative AI capabilities integrated into the phones.

Prominently, the Pixel smartphone boasts AI-driven camera functionalities enabling users to seamlessly insert themselves into a group photo post-capture, or completely transform a picture by switching from night to day and introducing elements that were originally absent. This venture pushes the boundaries of our acceptance—examining the extent to which technology can realistically create different realities, and determining our threshold for computer-generated environments.

This week's episode of Gadget Lab features a discussion with WIRED's senior reviews editor, Julian Chokkattu, who delves into the latest photographic innovations from Google. The conversation also covers Gemini Live, the new version of the company's AI-driven voice assistant. Additionally, we tackle a controversial question: Has Google Assistant reached the end of its life, or has it simply been relegated to Google's storage of forgotten projects?

Episode Outline

Discover all the latest developments announced at the Made By Google event, especially the enhancements to the Google Pixel camera. Explore how the organization is leveraging artificial intelligence to transform perceptions of the real world. Find out about the new, potentially lifesaving additions to the Pixel Watch 3. Additionally, delve into Reece Rogers’ article in WIRED on ChatGPT’s improved voice functionality and Jia Tolentino’s piece in The New Yorker on the relationship between tweens and Sephora.

Suggestions

Julian suggests opting for foldable flip phones. Lauren endorses the Colorescience Sunforgettable Total Protection Face Shield Flex SPF 50 as her preferred sunscreen lotion. Mike advocates for the audio version of Miranda July's "All Fours," available for listening on Spotify Premium.

You can connect with Julian Chokkattu on social media via @JulianChokkattu. Follow Lauren Goode at @LaurenGoode. Reach out to Michael Calore at @snackfight. For the main contact point, direct your messages to @GadgetLab. The production of the show is handled by Boone Ashworth, who can be found at @booneashworth. The theme music for the show is composed by Solar Keys.

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Lauren Goode: Michael.

Lauren Goode: Hey, Mike.

Michael Calore: What are your thoughts on the small digital assistant embedded within your smartphone? Do you make use of it?

Lauren Goode: Are you referring to Siri? Is Siri still the topic of discussion? It's been almost a decade and a half, 14 years to be precise, that Siri has been a subject of conversation. Actually, 13 years.

Michael Calore: Any of them will do.

Lauren Goode: Absolutely. Although, not frequently.

Michael Calore: Indeed. What's your purpose for utilizing it?

Lauren Goode: When I'm behind the wheel and require a reply, I turn to it. At night, to ease into sleep, I rely on a device powered by Google Assistant for calming noises.

Michael Calore: Oh, that's pleasant.

Lauren Goode: For cooking purposes, it's incredibly useful. I've heard that Siri can now handle several timers simultaneously, is that correct? Possibly.

Michael Calore: Likely. It appears to be a characteristic.

Lauren Goode: We're existing in what once was considered the future. What's your take on it?

Michael Calore: Given the nature of my work, I frequently use Google. Often, my phone activates and believes I'm speaking to it, which is always an amusing occurrence.

Lauren Goode: Essentially, our agreement is that they possess extreme intelligence.

Michael Calore confirms it.

Lauren Goode: They serve a purpose.

Michael Calore: They enjoy tuning in.

Lauren Goode: They enjoy tuning in.

Michael Calore: Indeed. However, they are undergoing various new developments, as witnessed this week.

Lauren Goode: It's worth discussing.

Michael Calore: Without a doubt, we should.

Lauren Goode: Alright, let's get started.

[The introduction theme for Gadget Lab starts playing]

Michael Calore: Hello, everyone. Greetings from Gadget Lab. My name is Michael Calore, and I serve as the director of consumer tech and culture at WIRED.

Lauren Goode: My name is Lauren Goode, and I hold the position of senior writer at WIRED.

Michael Calore: This week, we're once again accompanied by Julian Chokkattu, the senior commerce editor at WIRED. Great to have you back with us in person, Julian.

Julian Chokkattu: I'm really grateful for the opportunity to be here.

Michael Calore: We're glad you could join us.

Lauren Goode: Julian has joined us in the studio. And just to paint a picture for those listening, Julian has on an incredibly stylish bomber jacket.

Julian Chokkattu: I'm really grateful, thank you.

Lauren Goode: Mixed plaid patterns in purple hues. Quite busy.

Julian Chokkattu mentioned that a musician, whose name he couldn't recall, was the founder of a fashion brand.

Michael Calore: You'll get there eventually.

Lauren Goode: Perhaps we could include a link in the episode's description.

Michael Calore: During this week, Google unveiled its latest Pixel gadgets through a major event hosted at its Mountain View, California headquarters. Julian attended in person, while Lauren and I tuned in via YouTube from a cozy office couch. The lineup included four new Pixel smartphones, a pair of smartwatches, and some earbuds. Despite the allure of new gadgets, the standout of the showcase wasn't the devices themselves but rather the innovative AI software capabilities integrated into the new Pixel phones. For instance, they introduced a voice assistant feature capable of engaging in remarkably natural conversations.

Additionally, we encountered artificial intelligence applications capable of altering your images, either by erasing unwanted components or, more bizarrely, by inserting individuals or items that were originally absent. In the latter part of our program, we will explore whether these recent revelations bolster Google's standing in the competitive AI landscape. However, our immediate focus will be on examining these innovative AI capabilities.

Julian, you've had hands-on experience with the latest offerings from Google, having witnessed everything firsthand. I understand there are aspects you're unable to discuss until your phone review is published, which will be soon, but I'm certain there's a lot you can share. What's the best place to begin?

Julian Chokkattu: Absolutely. As you've mentioned, the conversation is likely to revolve around AI functionalities, mainly because the hardware has reached a level of refinement where it's all quite impressive. Nowadays, phones excel in performing the tasks we expect from them.

Gone are the days when anticipation was all about the camera's improvement, or perhaps that was solely my perspective. However, many of my discussions with Google, as well as numerous articles I penned, focused on aspects of the camera experience beyond just taking a picture, including what happens after the shot is taken.

The actions you're taking with your photos. For instance, Reimagine is a fresh tool that allows you to enter text into a box once you've snapped a photo, and it will then create something entirely new within your picture. To give you an idea, I've found myself frequently adding UFOs for some reason.

Michael Calore: UFOs?

Julian Chokkattu: Indeed. For some reason, this has become my default action. I snap a self-portrait, select the specific spot for the UFO's appearance, enter "UFO" as my search, and I'm presented with a few options. Just like that, I'm able to demonstrate their existence. It's definitive proof that they're among us here on Earth, though really, the possibilities are limitless.

It's possible to alter the weather in a photo, turning overcast conditions into a clear, sunny day. Objects within the image can also be swapped out for different items. However, there are certain limitations in place. Specifically, altering one's facial characteristics is off-limits. Attempts to modify any aspect of a person are likely to fail.

However, this approach allows users the privilege of modifying their images. Indeed, there is a watermark signifying the use of generative AI for edits, but it likely isn't too challenging to eliminate or bypass.

Lauren Goode: Additionally, Google unveiled a captivating feature during their presentation. Miami Heat's Jimmy Butler made a live appearance. The Google product managers snapped a picture and then took one with Jimmy. Subsequently, the two images were seamlessly combined, creating the illusion that they were all together in one frame, despite not actually being so. This technology allows you to insert a person into your photograph.

Julian Chokkattu: Absolutely. The feature is named Add Me, and truly, it was the one aspect that immediately struck me as incredibly valuable for everyone. We've all found ourselves in scenarios where we have two distinct photos featuring us with our families, friends, or significant others, positioned in front of a structure or a significant site.

An individual captures the image, and another steps in for a swap, leaving you with two pictures where one person remains absent. Unless you request a stranger to snap a picture of your entire family, you run the slight risk of them making off with your phone.

Lauren Goode: Just so you know, I'm the kind of person who always steps in to offer help when I notice others attempting to snap a picture.

Julian Chokkattu: How lovely. How lovely.

Michael Calore: Same here. Same here.

Lauren Goode expressed, "I'm essentially—"

Julian Chokkattu explained, "People often approach me once they notice I'm carrying a camera, assuming, 'He must be a photographer. Let's get his opinion.'"

Lauren Goode: They think, "Oh, he's got a stylish jacket on. He must be pretty cool."

Michael Calore: He has the appearance of a geek. I understand that, truly.

Julian Chokkattu explains that Add Me effectively allows you to merge images, eliminating the need to keep two distinct photos inactive. Instead, you obtain a single photograph where it seamlessly positions the individual beside you, organizing the snapshot in a way that highlights the location of the initial photo.

Instructions guide you to position the second individual correctly, and then, through its artificial intelligence capabilities, it seamlessly integrates an image of the two of you as though you were side by side. This function serves as a convenient tool in this respect, offering the kind of photo modification luxury that Google provides.

They're okay with it being that way, since it essentially involves slightly obscuring the reality. Nonetheless, it's inconsequential ultimately, given that, in essence, there was a moment when you both were actually positioned together near that item.

Lauren Goode: Absolutely. One of the most astonishing comments made by a Google employee during your preliminary discussions, which Julian later transformed into an excellent article linked in our podcast notes, revolves around the concept of photography, memories, and their modification. This individual mentioned that our memories of events can be unreliable, and the way we recall them might not always align with reality. However, by utilizing the Add Me function – which I playfully want to refer to as the pick me, love me feature – it could actually provide a closer depiction of reality, a notion I find incredibly intriguing.

Julian Chokkattu: Indeed, it's peculiar because it's not false. Occasionally, there are recollections that don't align perfectly with reality. Yet, to revisit and decide, "This is the way I prefer to recall it and I'll just alter it to match that," is a different matter.

While the image you're seeing accurately represents the scene, it might not align with what you had envisioned. It's an odd situation to navigate.

Consequently, when you engage in this process, you're essentially refining it to match your preferences, inevitably stripping away its original authenticity. Interestingly, this involves a paradox where the addition of various features compromises the technical genuineness of the image, while simultaneously, on the camera side, numerous modifications are being made.

During a conversation with the head of the Pixel camera team, he mentioned that recent updates to their HDR processing aim to produce more realistic images. This shift aligns with current preferences for authenticity in photos, contrasting with the trend a decade ago when highly filtered Instagram photos were in vogue, and there was a desire for cameras to apply intense effects directly.

Lauren Goode: Alternatively, overly saturated.

Julian Chokkattu: Absolutely. The vibrant hues and such. Nowadays, there's a preference for more natural-looking images rather than those. Additionally, there are AI capabilities that allow for some pretty outlandish modifications. You have the freedom to play around with your photos as you wish.

Michael Calore expresses his viewpoint bluntly, stating his belief that modifying photographs is a negative practice, particularly the addition of individuals who were not originally present in the photo. He concedes, however, that there's likely to be a strong appeal for using this technique in capturing moments with family or friends gathered, recognizing its potential charm for such scenarios. Despite this, he emphasizes that the essence of photography lies in capturing a moment exactly as it occurs, without any alterations.

Lauren Goode: Indeed. The introduction doesn't alter the tangible aspects, the composition, or even the responsibility of taking the picture. That remains unchanged. There's a common observation highlighted in memes about how mothers are frequently missing from family photographs since they're typically the ones behind the camera, and this situation isn't likely to shift. Now, the approach is simply to squeeze the mother into the picture, attempting to create the illusion of an ideal, joyful snapshot.

Michael Calore: Exactly. Assuming it becomes popular, as Julian suggested it likely would, it's currently only available on Pixel phones. That means it's limited to around 4 percent of the world's smartphones.

Julian Chokkattu: In my opinion, that's quite liberal. Maybe 0.0 something.

Lauren Goode: However, these features are likely to gradually make their way to other phones over time.

Julian Chokkattu: Indeed. The issue with some of these developments is not just about their current state. While Google is evidently making efforts to consider certain aspects and has established safeguards for numerous features, the reality remains that these functionalities will, in time, inspire the creation of applications capable of performing similar tasks.

These individuals are indifferent to safety measures, such as guardrails or watermarking. The result is an easier path for malicious entities to engage in more harmful activities. Essentially, Google's objective is not focused on enhancing the camera itself, but rather on streamlining the process.

Currently, there's an abundance of new additions. Much of what is being introduced can be accomplished by experts using tools such as Photoshop or Lightroom. The idea behind these additions is to democratize the process, eliminating the need for specialized technical skills.

You can easily accomplish it using your smartphone, as it simplifies the process of getting started. However, in doing so, it's unavoidable that it will lead to a situation where somebody might exploit it for less than noble purposes.

Lauren Goode: Absolutely. It's worth mentioning that this recording is taking place in a Conde Nast facility, and Conde Nast is known for its wide array of magazines. Throughout magazine history, professional photo shoots have been a common practice. Steven Levy, one of our colleagues at WIRED, was famously included in a Vanity Fair photo session featuring key figures in the technology world, and it's almost certain that he was digitally placed alongside individuals he hadn't physically been close to during the actual photo shoot.

Michael Calore: Absolutely. Whenever those magazine covers feature the top 20 Hollywood stars or something similar, it's practically impossible for any production assistant to gather all those celebrities together in one place, unless it's during the Oscars.

Lauren Goode: Without a doubt.

Michael Calore: Everything is covered.

Lauren Goode: Exactly, that's our approach.

Michael Calore: Each segment is filmed separately or in clusters and then combined.

Lauren Goode suggests that the tacit understanding between the creator and their audience might be the promotion of a fantasy. She hints that we might all start to market our own personal dreams, something that's already happening on social media platforms.

Michael Calore: Absolutely. To put it plainly, the Pixel essentially markets an idealized version of your real life. As Julian mentioned, it appears minor, almost like a convenient solution for certain situations for some users, yet it remains an illusion.

Julian Chokkattu: Indeed. However, regarding the accessibility of this feature, currently, it's exclusive to the Pixel 9. To illustrate, consider the Magic Eraser tool they rolled out two years ago, which allows users to edit objects out of their pictures. Today, this function has become a standard feature across various smartphone brands, including OnePlus, Samsung, and even Apple has incorporated it into iOS. Essentially, once a new feature is introduced by one, it's only a matter of time before it's adopted by others.

Lauren Goode: Absolutely. And touching on what you said about genuineness, it's worth noting that Google is really making significant strides in the area of skin color representation.

Julian Chokkattu: Indeed. I engaged in a delightful conversation with Florian Koenigsberger, Google's lead for image equity. He's the driving force behind the Real Tone initiative, aimed at enhancing the natural appearance of skin tones in photos. This addresses a longstanding problem where photographs often fail to accurately capture darker skin tones, a result of imaging technology and processing that has historically been calibrated for lighter complexions.

This year, significant improvements have been introduced, and I had the opportunity to embark on a photographic exploration, visiting the compact studio in Brooklyn where much of their experimentation takes place. Within this space, they had set up various models under different lighting scenarios, tirelessly capturing images, contrasting them with previous phone models, and enhancing their quality annually.

This year's standout improvement, for instance, involved filming someone with darker skin against the backdrop of a brightly lit window. Currently, attempting to capture such a scene results in the individual's skin appearing excessively dark, obscuring their facial details, while the background remains visibly normal.

Now, it gives preference to faces, recognizing the importance of maintaining an individual's skin color and facial details without excessively darkening the shadows or overly illuminating the background. It achieves a more balanced approach, avoiding the extreme fluctuations in exposure previously observed.

Minor details often go overlooked or are disregarded by many, yet there are those who do notice them but choose to overlook them as part of daily life. Now, however, with these issues being addressed, it's refreshing to see that such nuisances are eliminated, allowing for a normal photo experience or similar activities to be enjoyed without interruption.

The modifications being implemented in Real Tone not only benefit individuals with darker skin tones but also enhance the appearance for those with lighter complexions. By specifically addressing the needs of darker skin tones, the overall quality is lifted, resulting in a more natural look for all skin colors.

Michael Calore: Great. Impressively, we've reached the midpoint of our program without delving into the topic of chatbots, which is an achievement for us. However, let's pause for a moment, and upon our return, we'll dive deeper into Gemini Live and explore the realm of generative AI further.

[Pause]

Michael Calore: Julian, putting aside our discussion on photography aspects, the pros and cons, these devices also feature Gemini Live. Could you explain what Gemini Live entails and who has access to it?

Julian Chokkattu: Absolutely. There's a fresh update called Gemini Live being introduced in Gemini. It's currently being deployed to select Android smartphones, and you must be enrolled in the Gemini advanced subscription to access it. It's expected to be available on iOS devices shortly, within a few weeks. Interestingly, Gemini has become the go-to assistant on the Pixel nine, marking a shift from last year's Pixel eight, where Google Assistant was the standard. Upon activation, it used to suggest switching to Gemini.

Currently, Gemini stands alone. Google Assistant has been sidelined, remaining out of the spotlight. Indeed, Google maintains silence regarding its Assistant, preferring not to mention it. In contrast, Gemini Live offers an interactive, real-time dialogue. With the existing setup of Gemini, you pose a question, there's a brief wait, and then you receive an answer.

Gemini Live aims to mimic a regular human interaction, where you pose a question and receive a prompt reply, allowing for a dynamic exchange. You have the flexibility to cut it off or switch subjects, essentially all the elements you'd anticipate in a typical, seamless conversation are what they're striving to achieve with Gemini Live.

This device operates without requiring any manual handling. Essentially, you can activate it, slip your phone into your pocket, move about, and engage in a dialogue with Gemini without needing to constantly look at your phone. Additionally, with the latest Pixel Buds Pro 2, you have the option to interact through the earbuds for the same user experience.

The concept revolves around engaging in effortless discussions with Gemini, whether you're driving or out for a jog. However, I find myself questioning the extent of these interactions and their depth, given that there are inherent limitations. Despite these constraints, the ability to inquire about virtually anything and receive a wealth of information in return means you can gain significant insight and knowledge.

Honestly, I'm uncertain. Engaging in dialogue, it seems challenging for me to envision a scenario in which, given the current circumstances and its functionality, I would voluntarily keep initiating and sustaining conversation. It appears to me that these interactions will be limited to particular instances. However, Google's portrayal almost suggested a scenario where one would constantly be in conversation with Gemini.

Michael Calore: Absolutely. I believe we're all anticipating the day when we can actually converse with these devices.

Lauren Goode: Hold on a second. I need to inquire, what's the status of Google Assistant? Has it been phased out like Duo or Wave, or some of the others? What was that other one called? Google Plus?

Michael Calore: Remains present.

Lauren Goode: Could it be?

Michael Calore: It's securely stored in the loft.

Julian Chokkattu: I can provide responses to that query.

Lauren Goode: Indeed. Will these simply turn into merchandise?

Julian Chokkattu: It's peculiar, as the narrative continues that there are certain capabilities Gemini lacks, which Google Assistant possesses, especially regarding smart home functionalities. Despite this, Google Assistant remains active in these areas. However, the narrative also suggests that Gemini will eventually match Google Assistant's capabilities in every aspect. What remains unclear is the future beyond this point of parity.

Strangely enough, during last week's unveiling of the latest Nest learning thermostat and the new Google TV streamer, they also announced an upgrade for Google Assistant, introducing Gemini LLMs. This update gives Google Assistant a more natural-sounding voice, all thanks to Gemini's integration.

Lauren Goode: By the way, Mike's phone just exploded.

Michael Calore: It believes we are discussing it. Apologies, Google Assistant.

Julian Chokkattu explained that Google's strategy emphasizes the use of Google Assistant for managing smart home functions. For handling personal information, emails, and other private matters outside the home, Google introduces Gemini as the go-to solution.

Lauren Goode: Let me circle back to Condé Nast once more. It's reminiscent of a scene in The Devil Wears Prada, where you have two aides: one is adept at securing Hermes scarves and dialing Steven Meisel directly, while the other suggests simply booking a table at a well-reviewed eatery. Yet, the concept seems to be that over time, these two evolve into a single, highly capable assistant. Is that the concept we're discussing?

Julian Chokkattu suggests that there will only be one outcome, although it hasn't been officially confirmed. He believes the reluctance to make a public announcement stems from a historical pattern of discontinuing services. Chokkattu speculates that concerns about discontinuing the Assistant, which is integral to numerous smart home devices, stem from the potential disruption it could cause to consumers' investments in these products.

I believe there's a significant amount of groundwork yet to be laid, leading to an extended phase of transition. However, in the end, it seems inevitable that it will all boil down to Gemini, unless a new name is introduced in the next couple of years.

Lauren Goode revealed that OpenAI has officially launched, and it's expected that Google will follow suit, introducing at least four variations of this technology. OpenAI recently unveiled its voice bot, currently in alpha testing, which our team member Reese has experimented with. This development, initially previewed a few months earlier, had garnered attention for its notably flirtatious and human-like interactions.

The voice resembled that of Scarlett Johansson, prompting her to issue a formal cease and desist notice, leading them to scale back their efforts somewhat. Now, it has been released. Additionally, during the WWDC event in June, Apple unveiled Apple Intelligence, which operates in several ways but, from what I gather, it also enhances Siri's capabilities.

Michael Calore: Indeed. It renders Siri more authentic and engaging in conversation.

Lauren Goode raises a couple of points for consideration. Firstly, she wonders about the extent to which people are interested in interacting with voice assistants, noting that she herself doesn't rely heavily on this feature. Secondly, she brings up concerns regarding data privacy and how companies manage user information. Specifically, she mentions Apple's stance, as outlined in a document, where the company asserts that it does not leverage users' private or personal data nor their interactions for the purpose of training its foundational models.

Google possesses aspects of this, as they mentioned in yesterday's discussion about the Gemini Nano model which operates on devices, specifically the Pixel, ensuring user privacy is maintained. However, on a larger scale, Google utilizes elements such as your search inquiries, geographical data, and user feedback to enhance, refine, and advance its products, services, and machine learning capabilities.

The activity associated with the Gemini apps is activated automatically for users aged 18 and above. Those younger than 18 have the option to enable it, which presents an intriguing twist in phrasing. Essentially, for adults engaging with Google Gemini, it implies that their data is automatically utilized to refine the company's algorithms by default.

Julian Chokkattu: In this discussion about interacting with digital assistants, what sets the current era apart from the early days of Siri— and I almost mentioned Cortana there—is the integration of these assistants with the companies' proprietary services.

In the near future, Gemini Live users will be granted integration with Gmail, Google Keep, and the Google Tasks Calendar. This enhancement will allow users to effortlessly inquire about past events, such as asking, "What was that invitation I received a couple of weeks back?" The system will automatically locate the relevant email, extract the details, and handle the task without requiring further input. Users can simply give commands like, "Sure, add that event to my calendar," or "Remind me to purchase a present for them." This level of seamless interaction and automation has been unprecedented until now.

Michael Calore: Indeed. It doesn't seem reliable to me.

Julian Chokkattu: Exactly. There's invariably some malfunction. Either it fails to incorporate it correctly or struggles to link with the service you utilize. Apple is also embarking on this venture. Their major focus with Apple Intelligence is to delve into your emails and extract that data.

Everything will be tailored to your individual experience. This is why predicting the level of discussion moving forward is challenging, given that previously, the system was flawed and somewhat random. However, there's a possibility it may function effectively this time around. Yet, the outcome remains uncertain, as it's hard to determine at this point.

Michael Calore remarks that the aspect of virtual assistants, which allows them to sift through both the internet and one's personal data to retrieve needed information, is quite fascinating. However, he questions why demonstrations often focus on showcasing the ability to engage in seemingly human-like conversations with these computers.

Lauren Goode: This represents the most extensive trial run for tech advancements globally. Indeed, this trend had its early roots in the 2010s, a time when the introduction and widespread use of apps, along with devices equipped with GPS, began. Consequently, our location information started to be leveraged for advertising purposes, among other things. However, the core of this dynamic is that these complimentary offerings are essentially benefiting the tech corporations behind them. They're refining their algorithms and strategies to enhance their targeting precision towards consumers.

Julian Chokkattu: What's noteworthy is that they're no longer available at no cost. In fact, even Gemini Live requires a payment now.

Lauren Goode: Indeed. They need to identify strategies to offset the significant computational costs associated with operating generative AI models. Given the financial concerns surrounding Google every quarter, there's apprehension it might fail. Take OpenAI as an instance. They've been expanding their commercial operations to ensure they generate income.

Julian Chokkattu: Absolutely. Ultimately, what it comes down to, in my opinion, is that it's the most individualized and beneficial aspect. Rick Osterloh, Google's head of hardware, kicked off the presentation yesterday with the message that their goal is to demonstrate the ways in which AI can enhance and assist in our daily lives.

Many of the scenarios presented seem to be actions that the average person wouldn't typically engage in or inquire about with AI. While there might be occasional instances of such interactions, the real utility appears to lie in employing AI to interface with personal services and sift through data that's otherwise cumbersome and challenging to navigate via existing applications.

I'm eager to witness more demonstrations and public showcases of this technology, as it's precisely what I envision myself utilizing. Have you ever attempted to find an email in Gmail? It's a terrible ordeal. If Gemini can greatly enhance this process, allowing for immediate results and the ability to perform additional actions, I would definitely favor it over the existing situation.

Lauren Goode: For quite some time, Google has consistently emphasized its aim to be helpful. Just putting it out there. Rick, if he truly wants to make a difference, maybe he could tackle the mystery of my car's check engine light, or something along those lines? I'm not sure. Alright, but yes, helpful, I suppose.

Michael Calore: Absolutely. I'm eager for the time when my phone can handle all tasks autonomously, intuitively adding events like calls to my calendar as soon as someone invites me, without me needing to prompt it.

Lauren Goode: There's a delicate balance between merely streamlining work processes for better output and what genuinely aids in real life. A part of this involves what you mentioned, which is making it to a meeting.

Michael Calore: For those ready to invest and in possession of the latest Pixel gadget, Lauren, this futuristic experience is also yours to savor.

Lauren Goode mentioned that Google was supposed to provide her with a temporary device, but since she didn't attend the event in person the previous day, she didn't receive it.

Michael Calore: I'm confident you'll obtain one.

Lauren Goode: Certainly, I'm eager to give it a go. I have a real fondness for Pixels.

Michael Calore: I'm eager to discuss all these topics once more following next month's iPhone reveal.

Lauren Goode: Ah, I was under the impression you meant following the publication of Julian's review, which is something everyone ought to check out.

Michael Calore: Absolutely. But of course. I'm convinced that Apple Intelligence will follow the same path.

Julian Chokkattu: While it's scheduled for a bit down the line, likely around October or November. So, it won't be hot on the heels of the iPhone release.

Michael Calore: Indeed. Or it could be the opening day of CES, which seems very much like something Apple would do.

Julian Chokkattu: That would be regrettable. Extremely regrettable.

Michael Calore: We'll pause here and return shortly with our suggestions.

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Michael Calore: Okay, we're at the final segment of our program where we take turns sharing something we think our audience will appreciate. It could be literally anything. Julian, I notice you're pondering. What do you have to suggest?

Julian Chokkattu: I must admit, I wasn't as ready as I typically find myself, but I'm aiming to create something that might seem a bit obvious. However, I believe that foldable flip phones this year are noteworthy. This realization came to me when I reunited with my cousin after a lengthy period, during which I happened to be evaluating Samsung's latest Galaxy Z Flip 6.

Michael Calore: Just to make it clear, this resembles flipping something upward, rather than turning a page in a book.

Julian Chokkattu: It wasn't reminiscent of a novel. She's a high schooler, on the verge of graduating. When we both took out our phones, I noticed I was using the latest Samsung model, and she had the model right before it. I found myself asking, "Why aren't you using an iPhone?" since, from what I've seen, that's the preferred choice among teenagers.

I'm familiar with quite a few individuals, including my mother, who are fans of using a Razer. It's becoming increasingly common to the extent that I find it entirely usual, and I've also noticed a significant number of them in New York. However, I believe the improvement in the quality of folding flip phones has reached a level where concerns about their durability and screen reliability are no longer significant issues.

The experience is akin to using a typical smartphone, except this one can be folded down the middle to conveniently fit into a pocket. This year, Samsung opted to hike up the prices, yet Motorola offers some competitive alternatives priced below $700. I believe consumers should broaden their search and consider the innovative developments occurring within the mobile phone market. It seems I'm constantly covering and analyzing a wide array of smartphones. Despite this, folding phones haven't quite caught on with the general public yet. However, I'm optimistic that this could be the year they gain broader appeal. At least, that's my hope.

Michael Calore: Is that so? Truly?

Julian Chokkattu: What I particularly appreciate is that there's no need to rely on a feature like Add Me when you're standing before the Eiffel Tower, eager to snap a photo. Simply by flipping the screen, utilizing the preview on the external display, you can effortlessly initiate the photo capture with a hand gesture or a voice command, allowing you and your companion to be photographed in front of the iconic site.

Michael Calore: Alright. Here's a point in favor.

Julian Chokkattu: Only a single one.

Michael Calore: It's utter mayhem. I get why someone would be drawn to a book-like folding phone, because once it unfolds, it essentially becomes a tablet-sized device. That obviously opens up a lot of possibilities. However, the flip style, akin to the clamshell or Razer-style flip phones, baffles me. When they're folded up, they're just excessively bulky.

Julian Chokkattu: Nowadays, they aren't as bulky. It seems like there's been an effort to make them sleeker, yet they still occupy minimal space, like in my pants pocket, for instance. From what I've noticed, it's just more comfortable to carry it around, even when holding it in your hand, as it easily fits within the grasp of your palm once it's folded.

Year after year, manufacturers have progressively increased the size of these external displays, allowing users to accomplish more without the need to constantly flip the phone open. It's become possible to check messages, use certain applications, and even interact with widgets, among other functionalities, directly from that screen.

This mode offers greater functionality, encouraging users to keep it shut more frequently. Consequently, it enhances the overall experience. For instance, accessing Gemini on the Razer's external screen is possible without having to flip the phone open.

Lauren Goode: For me, there's a single obstacle that might seem quite simple, but it's stretch pants. I purchase these stretch pants that come with pockets, which I use both for working out and running everyday errands. As for the flat phone, what's the current term for it? The usual one.

Michael Calore: Standard. A typical phone.

Lauren Goode: The standard-issue smartphone.

Julian Chokkattu: The traditional telephone.

Lauren Goode: It slides quite comfortably into those lateral compartments. When the flip phone is closed, it becomes bulky, and then imagine trying to fit it into your side pockets. It will just protrude from your leg like an awkward bulge.

Michael Calore suggests that they are becoming smoother.

Julian Chokkattu believes further testing is needed, especially with certain trousers. He mentions owning a pair that he dislikes due to its unusually small pockets. Surprisingly, his flip phone fits better in these than his regular phone, likely because the pockets are so shallow. However, this situation is an exception, and he typically isn't accustomed to having no or minimal pocket space.

Michael Calore: Indeed. Alright. Flip phones suitable for gentlemen with less deep pockets and for everyone else.

Lauren Goode: A few months ago, Jason Kehe was a guest on the show and presented a case in favor of flip phones. He explained that his flip phone was somewhat difficult to operate, which actually reduced his phone usage. He appreciated this added difficulty as it served as a beneficial obstacle for him.

Michael Calore: Honestly, I'm unsure. Really unsure.

Lauren Goode: That person.

Michael Calore: Discussing this is making me feel tense and uncomfortable, so I think it's time we changed the topic. Lauren, what do you suggest we talk about next?

Lauren Goode: I'm exploring the world of beauty influencing as a plan B if my career in tech journalism comes to an end. I've discovered a tinted mineral sunscreen that I've become quite fond of. It's named Colorescience Face Shield Flex. Just a heads-up, though, it carries a hefty price tag.

Michael Calore: What does costly really mean?

Lauren Goode highlights that the product costs about $50 per bottle, which might be surprising for those not deeply invested in the beauty industry or who don't frequently explore K-beauty trends on platforms like TikTok, Reddit, or through YouTube tutorials. However, for enthusiasts who are well-versed in the beauty realm, the high expenditure on such products is not unexpected.

Additionally, I've found it to be quite durable. Throughout this year, I've only needed to purchase two bottles. I'm aware that there's a lot of debate surrounding the superiority of European sunscreens and their benefits. Similarly, there's a fondness for Korean sunscreens, though I haven't had the chance to explore those yet. However, I've been quite pleased with the Colorescience sunscreen so far. It's tinted and available in four shades. I haven't tested the effectiveness of the darkest shade, referred to as deep, so I can't speak to that. But, the fair and medium shades have served me well across different times of the year. For anyone in search of a new sunscreen that offers a hint of color without the heaviness of foundation or the transparency of typical sunscreens, Colorescience might be worth a look.

Julian Chokkattu: I was unaware that sunscreen could come in a tinted form like that.

Lauren Goode: Indeed, you can.

Julian Chokkattu: Useful information.

Michael Calore suggests that if you're seeking information on skincare, it's best to consult a teenager.

Lauren Goode: It's quite astonishing. Jia Tolentino recently published an extensive article in the New Yorker about Sephora.

Michael Calore: Absolutely. The young folks.

Lauren Goode notes that Sephora has become a favorite among young people, moving away from the traditional and often costly department store beauty counter experience. Instead of being directed by salespeople, customers at Sephora have the freedom to explore various products on their own, applying them as they please. This approach particularly resonates with teenagers who seem to navigate this abundance with ease, though it does raise concerns about excessive consumerism, suggesting that perhaps this level of consumption isn't necessary.

Michael Calore: Absolutely not. However, this tinted sunscreen is a must-have for everyone. This tinted sunscreen that costs $50.

Lauren Goode emphasizes the importance of using sunscreen, urging everyone to apply it. She also suggests checking out Colorescience for those in search of a tinted option.

Michael Calore: Please share that exceedingly lengthy name one more time.

Lauren Goode: The name of the product is, just a moment, Colorescience Face Shield Flex SPF 50.

Michael Calore: Alright. Fantastic. Is the 50 indicative of its $50 price tag?

Lauren Goode: Yes, that's excluding tax and delivery fees. Mike, how about you?

Michael Calore: I'd like to suggest an audiobook for you. It's called All Fours by Miranda July. This particular book has gained immense popularity. It's become such a phenomenon that it's sold out in bookstores everywhere. At the library near me, there's even a 16-week waiting list for its digital version on Libby.

Nonetheless, for those who have a Spotify Premium membership, the audiobook is available for you to enjoy without additional cost and features narration by the author herself, Miranda July. "All Fours" narrates the journey of a woman in her mid-forties who feels a general sense of dissatisfaction with her existence and opts for a road trip that leads to some truly amusing and intriguing adventures.

This book is fantastic and incredibly enjoyable. I'm nearly finished reading it. I've been eagerly listening to it as an audiobook on Spotify, so I highly endorse it. For those interested in this book, if you keep up with BookTok or consume any form of popular media, you're likely familiar with it given its widespread critical acclaim and the buzz suggesting it may become the top-selling book of the year or similar.

Lauren Goode: In an attempt to purchase it at a local bookstore in San Francisco, I discovered they had run out of stock. The staff was incredibly accommodating and placed an order on my behalf. However, our friend Zoe sent me a copy in the interim, so it's waiting for me at home. I just need to wrap up the book I'm currently reading, as I generally prefer to complete one book before starting another. I haven't started reading it yet, but I'm really looking forward to it.

Michael Calore: Whenever I'm engaged with an audiobook, I take a break from podcasts. This way, once I finish the audiobook, I can enjoy catching up on all the podcasts I've missed.

Lauren Goode: Absolutely. There's a certain gratification in using Goodreads as well. It's like ticking off a checklist. I've accomplished this. Recording how far you've come.

Michael Calore: It's quite amusing that our conversation about book reading quickly shifts to, "You can find it on Spotify. Or get it as an ebook. Or even mark it as read on Goodreads."

Lauren Goode: When you finish listening to an audiobook, do you check it off on Goodreads?

Michael Calore: Absolutely, it counts as reading. No matter what others may think, it's still reading to me. I've read it.

Lauren Goode: In my opinion, if your mind interprets the spoken form in the same manner as it would the written form, then it should be considered equivalent. Personally, my mind doesn't work that way. I prefer reading over listening most of the time.

Michael Calore: Alright. In that case, this suggestion doesn't suit you.

Lauren Goode: Alright, that works.

Michael Calore: Julian, I strongly suggest you try All Fours.

Lauren Goode: However, I possess a printed version.

Julian Chokkattu: Either I'll locate it in a tangible form or listen to it as an audiobook.

Michael Calore: Alright. Sounds good.

Julian Chokkattu: Unfortunately, I don't have a Spotify Premium subscription.

Michael Calore: Alright, well, I commend you for it. Appreciate your presence with us this week. Thanks for participating.

Julian Chokkattu: I appreciate the opportunity to be here.

Lauren Goode: That was incredible.

Julian Chokkattu: The experience is consistently enjoyable.

Michael Calore: Absolutely, and a big thank you to everyone tuning in. Should you have any comments, we're all accessible via Gemini. For more details, refer to the show notes or simply inquire through your smartphone. Our producer is Boone Ashworth. Look forward to our next episode coming your way next week. Until we meet again, farewell.

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